Saying Goodbye To The Kojo Nnamdi Show
On this last episode, we look back on 23 years of joyous, difficult and always informative conversation.
Whether it’s local or international corruption, public service announcements, dangerous escalators, or public schools doing away with failing grades, it’s your turn to set the agenda.
MR. KOJO NNAMDIWhere it's your turn, where you set the agenda by calling 800-433-8850 or by submitting your questions at our website kojoshow.org, sending e-mail to kojo@wamu.org, or sending a tweet @kojoshow. We broadcast live from Port-au-Prince, Haiti, last week. If you have any questions or comments about that, feel free to call. It's your turn, 800-433-8850.
MR. KOJO NNAMDIAlso, share your comments on the arrest of Prince George's county executive, Jack Johnson and his wife and the arrest of six or so other people today. I think they arrested nine people today, all part of the same corruption probe. But could we be rushing to judgment here or have you heard enough to make judgments? 800-433-8850. It's your turn.
MR. KOJO NNAMDISpeaking of judgments, it's not clear to me what message voters were sending in this last election except, well, everybody's angry. But after that, for me, the message gets muddled. So if it's clear to you, call right now. Help a brother out. 800-433-8850. Explain it all. As for Haiti, you know, the old phrase, I spent a week in Cleveland one night, as in time passes so slowly?
MR. KOJO NNAMDIIn Port-au-Prince, it's just the opposite. You spend a day in Port-au-Prince in a week. It's so busy. From no cholera cases one day in Port-au-Prince to thousands of cases the next day. From the crowded airport to the crowded streets, to the radio station every day, broadcast meetings at night, recording under a blanket at a hotel.
MR. KOJO NNAMDITime does tend to pass quickly when you're doing these things and then it's back to the crowded airport again. If you've got any questions about how that was all done, 800-433-8850, or about what we observed and experienced, it's your turn. Let's start now with David in Arlington, Va. David, you are on the air. Go ahead, please.
DAVIDI would just like to say that I think that whatever problems Haiti is suffering from, their ability to deal with them is directly proportional to their lack of capitalism, which would allow them to deal with whatever kind of natural disasters they encounter and allow them to thrive.
NNAMDIYou know, Bob, one of -- David, I'm sorry. One of the conversations we had there was with the head of the international peace keeping force in Haiti. And one of the problems, of course, is that when you talk about capitalism, they're going to need -- if their economy is to succeed, a great deal of investment.
NNAMDIIf, on the one hand, you have at least 12,000 peace keeping troops there, the average investor is not encouraged to enter into that environment because it seems to be an unstable environment. So what they're hoping is that if the November 28 election can be conducted and concluded relatively peacefully, that will send a signal that there is some stabilization.
NNAMDIBecause in a way, the UN peacekeeping forces are supposed to be trying to put themselves out of business so that Haiti can get back into business, but it's a difficult proposition, at this point, when you get an earthquake followed by a cholera epidemic and a hurricane that fortunately didn't hit the city of Port-au-Prince directly.
DAVIDIt certainly is. I think that it primarily has to start with an intellectual revolution of understanding what capitalism is and providing for individual rights and a free market. When those things exist, you have investors that will want to come in because they know it will be profitable.
NNAMDIAnd for the anti-capitalists in our office, you can feel free to call also. 800-433-8850. I think, with the end of socialism in eastern Europe, the anti-capitalist agenda, so to speak, has become much for difficult for struggling, especially struggling and development countries where capitalism now seems to be their only real alternative. But you might differ. Call us. 800-433-8850.
NNAMDIDavid, thank you for your call. We move onto Bob in Annapolis, Md. Bob, you're on the air. Go ahead, please.
BOBI wanted to know why you think there may be rushing to judgment with these executives in PG county who are accused of corruption.
NNAMDIWell, I was making the comment about rushing to judgment because the thought occurred to me this morning, and these thoughts, I guess, should not really occur to me, that all of this rests on what we have been told about what the Johnsons said to one another on the telephone. What they said to one another on the telephone, should I flush the check? Yes, flush the check.
NNAMDIShould I conceal the money? Yes, conceal it on your person. I've got the money concealed in my bra. All of those things we have to accept on the basis of the U.S. attorney telling us that they were actually true before we come to a judgment about what they actually did. And so it's a matter of the credibility of the FBI and the U.S. attorney. And if you say, hey...
BOBWell, no actually -- actually not. It's the matter of the credibility of the county executives. I have no doubt that the FBI or the U.S. attorney would bring charges against these people if they didn't have valid cause. I'm just wondering why, you know, there's this outcry to go easy on these people and assume, you know, good will when there's been an extensive case made, thousands of hours of man time to go into exactly what these people are up to.
NNAMDINo. There is no outcry to go easy on these people. Not that I have heard. I simply raised the issue provocatively because it rests on our -- it rests on the FBI and the U.S. attorney's credibility with us, the public. And if you have say you have absolutely no reason to disbelieve them, and that it is the Johnsons who have to prove their case, the Johnsons' attorney would probably say you forget that you're innocent until proven guilty.
BOBNot at all. What I'm saying is that the U.S. attorney and the FBI have put a case together, and they're going to be presenting that case and -- I'm sorry, and, you know, I'm just concerned that, you know, for certain politicians that there's always a rush to judgment, but when it comes to African-American politicians that there's always, hey, you know, nothing, you know, we got to see.
BOBThey may not have done anything wrong. And that's what I'm hearing from certain African-American commentators.
NNAMDINo. When I think of Governor Blagojevich in Illinois, and what he was reported to have said, I am sure that there are people who were also thinking of defending him. But I have not heard any significant, as you say, outrage and people saying don't come to judgment. I was simply raising the issue of whether we should come to judgment as a provocative issue, and you know, you didn't hear me raise the issue of race in this at all.
BOBRight. Fair enough.
NNAMDIOkay. Thank you for your call. We move onto Nancy in Silver Spring, Md. Nancy, you're on the air. Go ahead, please.
NANCYThank you very much, Kojo. I really enjoy your shows.
NNAMDIThank you.
NANCYNow, I will propose something that might be rather controversial. I think we have a super corruption in this country which is approved and sort of now by law by the Supreme Court, where people can contribute interest groups -- industries can contribute...
NNAMDIUnlimited amounts of money.
NANCY…amounts of money to a candidate or a party and think that, or hope that, they will get certain privileges or certain attention as far as the legislation that they approve. And, of course, we have armies of people who are pressuring Congress every day with all sorts of enticements.
NNAMDISo you don't agree with the Supreme Court's motion that money is a form of protected free speech?
NANCYNo, because it's money. It's not speech. And if it were speech, I would say yes. But money is not speech as far as I'm concerned. That's why I said it would be very controversial -- what I said was going to be very controversial because it is a super amount of corruption which is totally acceptable, and we accept it all the time.
NNAMDIAnd you feel that if these large amounts of money are being donated to political campaigns and to elected officials' campaigns, that ultimately it has the effect of influencing and therefore corrupting these individuals?
NANCYOh, yes, I do. I think so.
NNAMDIOkay.
NANCYIt could be even, well, maybe for a good cause sometimes, but it should -- people don't just do things always for altruistic purposes. They don't contribute, you know, millions of dollars thinking they're not going to get anything for it.
NNAMDIOkay.
NANCYSo that is my rather controversial expression of how we condone some...
NNAMDIWell, you have certainly jumped into the middle of a controversy, Nancy. Thank you very much for your call. Speaking of controversy, this email we got from Gunnar in Rockville. "I've worked as a ship captain throughout the world, and as much as corruption is considered a detriment, I found myself gladly paying for the services that I would normally not receive for doing business in foreign countries.
NNAMDITime is money, and money does expedite the business process in the countries that do not have a culture of bribery, I find it takes twice as long to get things done and the process is usually much more frustrating." I guess that's why they call it a process, Gunnar. Here is Shatoi in Washington, D.C. Shatoi, you're on the air. Go ahead, please.
SHATOIYes. Thanks for taking my call, Kojo.
NNAMDIYou're welcome.
SHATOIYes. I just want to say something about (unintelligible)
NNAMDIYes.
SHATOIYeah. I want the FBI and the other department to just investigate the relationship between (unintelligible) the owner of Silver Cab Company in PG county.
NNAMDIThe owner of what company?
SHATOISilver Cab -- Silver Cab Company.
NNAMDII'm not familiar with it.
SHATOIYeah. Silver Cab Company. It's a company in PG.
NNAMDIOh, the taxicab company, the Silver Cab Company.
SHATOIYes.
NNAMDII have no idea whether the -- are you taxi driver by any chance, Shatoi?
SHATOIYes. I'm taxicab driver driving in Washington D.C.
NNAMDIAnd why do you want the FBI to investigate that particular relationship?
SHATOII can see that the act of corruption between him and (unintelligible) because the PG taxi number that supposed to be distributed to the people that grabs cab in PG, who are not (unintelligible) .
NNAMDIOkay. Well, that's a suggestion that I've heard a lot of people complaining about. So who knows where this investigation will lead. Here's Kyle in Washington D.C. Kyle, we're running out of time, please make your comment or question as brief as possible.
KYLESure. Thanks, Kojo. Your show is terrific. My question is around Haiti and the Dominican Republic. It seems like a couple of years ago a lot of the stable businesses in Haiti migrated over the Dominican Republic when there was some political strife in Haiti. And I was wondering if there's an opportunity to better serve those businesses.
KYLEI know there's some deep cultural differences between the two countries, but they're so well co-located, it seems like there might be an opportunity to leverage that co-location.
NNAMDIYou know, that's a question a lot of people raised and of course we were only in Haiti for a few days last week. So please do not consider me an expert on this issue. But, of course, the way in which these two countries evolved is significantly different with Haiti of course winning its independence from France back in 1804. The Dominican Republic having a completely different history and completely different languages.
NNAMDIBut people often wonder why two countries in such close proximity to one another don't have a much closer relationship even as the Dominican Republic seems to see its economy improving at a time when Haiti is seeing its own economy and its culture in general, or its political culture in particular deteriorating.
NNAMDIIt is hoped that these elections will bring some restoration of a political culture or that in Haiti that can be trusted, which is a whole, as they say, another very big question. We'll, I guess, just have to see what happens. But thank you very much for your call, Kyle. I'm afraid that's all the time we have.
NNAMDI"The Kojo Nnamdi Show" is produced by Diane Vogel, Brendan Sweeney, Tara Boyle and Michael Martinez, and Ingalisa Schrobsdorff, with assistance from Kathy Goldgeier, Elizabeth Weinstein and (unintelligible). Diane Vogel is the managing producer. Our engineer today, TO. Dorie Anisman is on the phones. Our TO is Timmy Olmstead. Audio archives of all shows, plus podcasts, CDs and free transcripts are available at our website kojoshow.org. Thank you all for listening. I'm Kojo Nnamdi.
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