In this clip from WAMU 88.5 News, Kojo and Matt Bush discuss the late mayor. One lesson that Kojo took from the complicated politician: “Confrontations that you have with people? Yeah, they might last in your head for a little while, but you have to put them aside.”

Tune in at noon today for a special hour on Barry, with guests Tom Sherwood, Harry Jaffe, Sandy Allen and Frank Smith. And read WAMU 88.5’s obituary of the “mayor for life” here.