The Politics Hour - June 20, 2014

The Politics Hour - June 20, 2014

MR. KOJO NNAMDI

12:06:42
From WAMU 88.5, at American University, in Washington, welcome to "The Politics Hour," starring Tom Sherwood and co-starring Matt Bush. I'm Kojo Nnamdi. Tom Sherwood is our resident analyst. He's a reporter at NBC 4 and columnist for the Current Newspapers. Tom, welcome back.

MR. TOM SHERWOOD

12:07:06
I'm glad to be back. And I have big news.

NNAMDI

12:07:08
Everything happened while you were away. So what big news do you have now?

SHERWOOD

12:07:11
After this I'm going to play golf for the first time in almost 10 years, with Bruce DePuyt of News Channel 8.

NNAMDI

12:07:17
Well…

SHERWOOD

12:07:17
Because I figure he'll -- even after this layoff he's still worse than I am.

NNAMDI

12:07:21
Exactly right. If I were playing with you it would be three bad golfers playing at the same time. Matt Bush is our guest analyst. He's a reporter for WAMU 88.5. He filled in for Tom Sherwood last week and like it so much he bogarted his way back into the studio again today. But Matt is really our reporter who covers Maryland and he is here, in large measure, because of our guests. Matt, thank you very much.

MR. MATT BUSH

12:07:45
Two weeks in a row, feels very, very good. Since we have the live video, I did make sure I shaved better this week. So…

NNAMDI

12:07:51
Yes. We have live streaming video today. You can go to our website, kojoshow.org, and join the conversation and watch the conversation take place there. The aforementioned guest is Anthony Brown, Democratic candidate for governor of Maryland. He's currently the state's lieutenant governor. Lieutenant Governor, welcome.

LT. GOV. ANTHONY G. BROWN

12:08:07
Kojo, it's great to be on the show. And it's great to be here with Tom and Matt. Thank you for having me back.

NNAMDI

12:08:11
If you have questions or comments for Lt. Gov. Anthony Brown, call us at 800-433-8850 or send email to kojo@wamu.org. But first breaking news, Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe announcing today that he's going to sign a budget recently sent to him by the general assembly, but that he will use his line item veto on seven pieces of that budget. He also said in no uncertain terms that he's going to move forward to find a way to expand Medicaid by executive power because the budget sent to him by the assembly did not address the issue.

GOV. TERRY MCAULIFFE

12:08:46
I have directed Secretary Hazel to work with our federal partners in Washington, the insurance industry, the healthcare providers, our university medical centers, non-profit organizations, our local health departments and the hospital industry to extend the promise of healthcare to all our people. Secretary Hazel will have a plan on my desk no later than September 1st of this year, detailing how we move forward with healthcare in the face of the demagoguery, the lies, the fear and cowardice that have gripped this debate for far too long.

NNAMDI

12:09:28
Well, on one hand, the state is going to have a budget. It will not be undercut by the lack of agreement on Medicaid. On the other hand, the governor uses some pretty strong language, "lies," etcetera, to underscore the fact that he's going to try to find a way to do this by executive order.

SHERWOOD

12:09:48
Well, this is a 96 billion biennial budget. This is a huge deal for the governor. You only get one really good shot at doing a budget and then implementing it because by the time you bring up the second budget you're out of office because you can't secede yourself. And his Medicaid expansion, which many states have done and have received hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid to expand healthcare, was his signature centerpiece goal.

SHERWOOD

12:10:19
And you can hear in his voice the frustration and the anger because he did not get it. In part he didn't get it because -- or mainly because a Democratic senator resigned from the Senate, giving the Republicans control of the Senate.

NNAMDI

12:10:33
FBI's investigating that now.

SHERWOOD

12:10:34
And they moved ahead with the budget…

BUSH

12:10:35
Yes.

SHERWOOD

12:10:36
…without the Medicaid expansion. It's a bitter pill for him to swallow.

NNAMDI

12:10:42
Moving ahead with the budget without a Medicaid expansion you feel is more important than a vaguely defined or, well, no definition at all -- a vaguely defined intention to try to do it some way or the other.

SHERWOOD

12:10:58
Well, he's mimicking somewhat, maybe, President Obama, who's trying to wind his way around various issues in Congress. They have to have a budget. They were facing all kinds of cutbacks and bond rating issues, any number of things. If you don't pass a budget, it is the fundamental thing that drives any government, state government or city government, county government. And so they have to have a budget. So now they have one. It just doesn't have the cherry on top that this governor wanted.

NNAMDI

12:11:27
It's -- you're expanding Medicaid in the State of Maryland, Lt. Governor, are you not?

BROWN

12:11:31
Yeah, so Maryland embraced the Medicaid expansion. It's a great deal for states with the, you know, in the first few years, 100 percent picked up by the federal government. And then a high percentage will continue to be…

SHERWOOD

12:11:44
Ninety.

BROWN

12:11:44
Yeah, 90 by the federal government. So it's a great deal for states and it's also -- at least in Maryland, we've already seen early numbers that it's reduced our uncompensated care that's being delivered by our hospitals. That's a good thing for taxpayers, also for anyone that pays for insurance. Because, in Maryland at least, that cost of uncompensated care is baked into the insurance rates. So the Medicaid expansion, enhanced Medicaid is a good deal for states. I do commend Gov. McAuliffe for moving forward with high executive order

BUSH

12:12:15
And then there's something about -- it seemed like -- I would imagine Gov. McAuliffe -- the last straw in this was the resignation of that senator and how that happened. And I think at that point it looked like some dirty pool or something had happened there that, you know, just sort of pushed him to the point -- or I think at this point he just wanted to go for it.

SHERWOOD

12:12:28
Well, initially, he was going to get appointed to a state job…

BUSH

12:12:31
He rejected -- but he turned that down.

SHERWOOD

12:12:32
Well, initially…

BUSH

12:12:33
Initially. And then there's also his daughter would get a judgeship, yeah.

SHERWOOD

12:12:35
And his daughter (unintelligible) judge and now there is a federal review of that, to see if there was any quid pro quo.

NNAMDI

12:12:43
Quid pro quo.

SHERWOOD

12:12:43
I hate that word.

NNAMDI

12:12:44
But last week on this broadcast, former Congressman…

BUSH

12:12:47
As Tom Davis said, that's…

NNAMDI

12:12:49
…Tom Davis said, hey, that's no more than political…

BUSH

12:12:49
That happens.

NNAMDI

12:12:50
…horse trading in Virginia. It just looks strange to people outside of Virginia.

SHERWOOD

12:12:53
Well, no, no. It's just -- well, you don't generally talk about those things. Just do them.

BROWN

12:12:59
Whatever you do, do them on the merits.

NNAMDI

12:13:01
Yeah, do it on the merits.

SHERWOOD

12:13:02
And you don't have that trouble in Maryland. Should you be elected governor you would -- you have -- the Democrats control both houses pretty well, don't they?

BROWN

12:13:10
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that, you know, there still has to be compromise and negotiation. We share the same values and principles, but it's a big party.

NNAMDI

12:13:19
Well, as a result of the fact that Democrats control both Houses in Maryland, it would seem that you got a bad report card from StateIntegrity.org, with executive and legislative accountability, which says that the investigation that they conducted found that due to the unchecked Democratic control in the legislature in Maryland, a revolving door between lobbyists and government officials, failure to correct audit findings and limited data access across the board, according to that report. How would you, if elected, improve accountability and, especially, transparency in Annapolis?

BROWN

12:13:59
You know, I think that we are a perpetual sort of state of improving accountability and transparency in government. The legislature, through the Office of Audits, every year audits each of -- or on a cyclic basis, a cyclical basis audits executive agencies. And often those audit reports that come back are not flattering and point out, you know, deficiencies and short comings. And as the executive branch we take responsibility to make improvements in response to that.

BROWN

12:14:32
We also conduct our own audits and investigations and reviews, much like what happened at the Baltimore City Detention Center. That was -- I think that got lost in the conversation, but the problems that were discovered there was the result of our own investigation. So we're constantly looking at what's working well, what's not working well, and being as responsive as possible.

SHERWOOD

12:14:56
On that issue of accountability, there's been some complaints -- and Lord knows you've heard enough about the implementation of the Affordable Care Act and the responsibilities for it. But one issue that continues is that people who want to look back and do a total review of what happened, they say that you have not released your emails during the affected period. Are do you plan to do that or you just haven't had a formal request for it? How does that stand?

MCAULIFFE

12:15:24
No. We've had a formal request. And our response has been in compliance with state law on that score. Our compliance and what we've released and not released is consistent with the advice that the attorney general's office has given to the Health Benefits Exchange. There are a number of categories of information that is not disclosed under those requests. And certainly, you know, there's plenty that is.

BROWN

12:15:55
I think, though, the larger question is what are we going to find when the reviews -- and there are several -- are completed with the Health Benefits Exchange, what happened, what didn't happen. And I think, to no surprise, what we'll find is that the vendors with whom we contracted -- some of them very common popular household names, like IBM and others -- did not perform as contracted. This was not a situation unique to Maryland.

BROWN

12:16:22
I mean, every state, even those that did well, and the federal government had technical challenges with the launch. Many of them attributable to underperformance, poor performance by contractors. And that was what Maryland's experience was. And we'll learn much more about that and share much more of that with the public, as these reviews are being completed.

SHERWOOD

12:16:44
And what's the time table on that? Do you think there'll be something fairly soon? In late summer or do you -- you don't control it, so…

BUSH

12:16:49
I believe it's November, correct?

BROWN

12:16:51
Yeah, I don't control that. I know that that the

SHERWOOD

12:16:53
Sooner would be better.

BROWN

12:16:55
Yeah, sooner would be better. And keep in mind that these reviews and audits, they occur on sort of a good government timeline and not necessarily a political timeline.

SHERWOOD

12:17:08
Or a media timeline.

BROWN

12:17:09
Or a media timeline. The most important thing is thoroughness. We want to be -- it's wants to be comprehensive and complete and thorough. So the legislature, their review, I think begins about now.

BUSH

12:17:22
One thing to ask about that was the company is-- one of the companies used was from Fargo, N.D. And there's been a lot of talk of Maryland has this very big, you know, internet -- or a lot of technology companies, and particularly in Montgomery County and Howard County. They very much pride themselves on a lot of their tech companies. Why wasn't a Maryland company chosen to run the Maryland website?

BROWN

12:17:42
Yeah, and in fact, a Howard-based company, QSSI, right now is working with Optum. And Optum, you know, assisted the federal government in, you know, fixing the federal marketplace. So now QSSI is on the job in Maryland. You know, in all of our contracting in Maryland -- this is true whether it's the federal exchange or whether we're contracting for toilet paper, you know, you -- we're not able to have as a selection criteria, whether you are a Maryland company or not.

BROWN

12:18:18
I mean that violates the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution. And, you know, perhaps we would like to do that because we want to give more business, more opportunity to Maryland companies, but where a company calls home, with very few exceptions, is a selection criteria.

SHERWOOD

12:18:37
But this is "The Politics Hour," and I think there's an election on Tuesday.

BROWN

12:18:40
Yes, indeed there is. Four days and a wake-up.

SHERWOOD

12:18:43
Yesterday was the last day of early voting in Maryland. There's been a good turnout of early voting, but there has been expressed concerns by all the candidates who've appeared here and elsewhere, that still there's worries -- just like in the District for its April primary -- that too many people aren't tuned in. Are you seeing that in your own polling and you're concerned?

BROWN

12:19:03
So in every campaign that I've been involved with there's always a concern about voter turnout because the goal is to turnout as many voters as possible. And we spend a lot of time and energy doing that. So not only do campaigns do it, the political parties do it, the media participates as well with the number of programs that you host and people that you interview. We reach out to community-based organizations to do that as well.

BROWN

12:19:30
So I do think there'll be a slight drop off from the last two elections. Or let's compare it with the last gubernatorial election, the off-year elections, because we moved the election from September to June. And any time you make a change, people are out of rhythm and often you see a drop off. So we'll see that. I don't think we'll see the large drop off like we saw in early April in the District of Columbia.

BUSH

12:19:58
Well, 20 percent is the prediction. Is that about what you think it's going to be?

BROWN

12:20:01
No. I think it's going to be higher.

BUSH

12:20:02
Okay.

BROWN

12:20:03
Yeah, I think it's going to be higher.

SHERWOOD

12:20:04
You've been leading in the polls in the race with Doug Gansler and Heather Mizeur, but do you know the name Eric Cantor?

BROWN

12:20:12
Well, yeah, there were -- there's a newly coined verb in the campaign world. You remember a few years ago we coined the compound verb swift-boat, don't get swift-boated. And now the verb is don't get Cantored. So don't be lulled into complacency with what the polls tell you.

SHERWOOD

12:20:31
Have you double-checked with your pollsters?

BROWN

12:20:33
Well, more importantly, have we double-checked with our field operation to make sure that we are engaging and continuing to engage and spread the message about building a better Maryland for Marylanders and being in that conversation with Marylanders, because that's what it's about. My pollster will not win the election. He will just give me somewhat of an accurate depiction of how well we're doing.

NNAMDI

12:20:52
Last week, one of your opponents, Doug Gansler, essentially said that during the past eight years under the O'Malley/Brown administration the state has become less economically competitive. He said businesses are leaving and that people are getting tired of taxes. We have got Jim, in Baltimore, Md., who wants to ask about taxes. Jim, you're on the air. Go ahead, please.

JIM

12:21:12
Yes, sir. Mr. Brown, there's been a lot of discussion about whether we should lower the corporate tax in order to attract more businesses and be more competitive with Virginia. I'm wondering, do you agree with that? And also, how would you help grow small businesses in Maryland that need the help?

BROWN

12:21:31
Thank you, Jim. Let me answer it this way. The -- two out of every three private sector employees in Maryland are hired or employed by a small business. And the vast majority of small businesses in Maryland do not pay a corporate income tax. By lowering the corporate in tax and giving relief to Maryland's largest companies, a small subset of the employers, is not necessarily the best way to provide the kind of relief that we ought to provide to incentivize employers to invest in their businesses and create jobs and opportunities in Maryland.

BROWN

12:22:14
And that's why what I've called for is comprehensive tax reform, to look at all of our tax code, income, both corporate and personal, sales tax, property tax, etcetera, to find ways that we can incentivize employers to invest in their businesses and create jobs in Maryland, find ways to provide you and others tax relief, you know, for Maryland's working families. But also -- and finally -- not to roll back the investments we've made in college affordability, our schools, our environment and healthcare and public safety.

NNAMDI

12:22:45
Matt Bush?

BUSH

12:22:45
Are there specifics that you're looking at, though, and is there something in general? A lot of your opponents have said that you have a lot of plans. I have your jobs plan next to me here. It's 26 pages. But there aren't a lot of specifics in it. There's a lot of "we're going to create studies to look at it," "blue-ribbon panels," and all that sorts of things. Are there specifics in there?

BROWN

12:23:01
Well, let me just say, there's not a lot of blue-ribbon commissions in there. But there are a lot of specifics, if you look at my pre-K proposal, if you look at my career technology education proposal, if you look at my recidivism proposal, veterans' proposal, foster care proposal. But when it comes to tax reform, campaigns are not the place to do tax reform. I mean, it's easy to stand in front of a group, identify the…

NNAMDI

12:23:27
No new taxes.

BROWN

12:23:28
Or, depending on who the group is, you know, understand which tax they like the least or they hate the most, and promise to reduce that tax. But I don't think that that's a responsible way to govern. And we want to campaign the way we govern. And that's why our commitment is to comprehensive tax reform.

NNAMDI

12:23:46
Our guest is Anthony Brown. He is a Democratic candidate for governor of Maryland. He's currently the state's lieutenant governor. WAMU 88.5 will be airing special coverage of Maryland's primary elections next Tuesday, beginning at 8:00 p.m. I'll be joined by Matt Bush for an hour-long election special from 8:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.

NNAMDI

12:24:04
And at 9:00 p.m. WAMU's "All Thing's Considered" host Pat Brogan will host live reports and analysis of the results from 9:00 p.m. onward, with WAMU reporters in the field, with candidates and "Politics Hour" producer Michael Martinez, with the aforementioned Matt Bush, will be in studio. If you'd like to join this conversation with Anthony Brown, you can call us at 800-433-8850, send email to kojo@wamu.org, go to kojoshow.org, our website, where you will see the live video stream currently in progress. You can ask a question or make a comment there.

SHERWOOD

12:24:36
Your -- one of your opponents, Doug Gansler, has said he recognizes that with the terrible economy of the early 2008, '09 and that area, that the state had to raise taxes and did raise taxes, but that 40 something taxes were increased during this period of time. He says now in a better time some of these taxes ought to be looked at to give some relief to lower income, middle income and even some businesses. The corporate tax, for example, at 8.25 percent is much higher than Virginia's 6 percent. Are you -- what kind of tax relief do you think you would do? Or do you want to wait to have a commission study it?

BROWN

12:25:14
Yeah, I really think you need to have a comprehensive, sort of full spectrum look at your tax code to make sure that -- I think the first question you have to ask -- and there are various opinions on this -- is if you look at our comparable states and our neighboring states and our overall -- the revenues that we collect from Maryland citizens, how does it compare? Are we asking Marylanders to do more than other states?

SHERWOOD

12:25:40
Compared to Virginia.

BROWN

12:25:41
Virginia and…

SHERWOOD

12:25:43
Who wants your businesses.

BROWN

12:25:44
Right. And we should compare it also to Pennsylvania and Delaware. We should compare it to comparable states that compete for the same industry sectors that Maryland leads in, like Massachusetts in IT. And then once we understand the level at which we're asking Marylanders to support, you know, government services and programs like education, and healthcare, and the environment, and public safety, then we look at our tax code and say, hey, where do we provide the relief? How do we do that?

SHERWOOD

12:26:14
Heather Mizeur would tax marijuana.

BROWN

12:26:18
Well, that's…

SHERWOOD

12:26:18
You're not there yet?

BROWN

12:26:18
I'm not there yet. I'm at the -- I'm at a red light at the intersection on that one. I did support the decriminalization of possession of small amounts of marijuana, that should actually save us about $100 million a year. And that can go towards combating our more violent crime. It can go to drug treatment, drug counseling, education to avoid or to discourage drug use. So I do support (unintelligible).

NNAMDI

12:26:43
So you go, like, from a red light to a yellow light before you get to a green light?

BROWN

12:26:47
Well, I'll tell you. We have Colorado and Washington that have legalized marijuana. They're going to tax it and regulate it. In Colorado we're already beginning to see some challenges with is, like labeling of food products that have cannabis in it. So while financially, it's probably obvious that there are benefits to a state, you've got to look at all the socioeconomic and health factors that come into play.

NNAMDI

12:27:14
Got an email from Gwen, in Cheverly, who says, "Do you think your military service is a reason to vote for you? I respect your service and thank you for it, but I don't think that it adds a plus in your column when I'm weighing my choice for governor. If military service was a significant qualifier for elected office, then John McCain would be president. He was a POW, but I think Barack Obama was the better choice."

BROWN

12:27:37
Yeah, I think -- look, I think Maryland voters who -- I'm pleased to see that Maryland voters are a very informed electorate. And what I've encouraged voters to do is to look at a number of factors. Look at our record. Look at our vision, which we articulate on the campaign trail. For me, you can go to AnthonyBrown.com and certainly see, not only the vision, but the proposed plans and actions. You want to look at experience. You also want to -- and that experience should be our lifetime experience.

BROWN

12:28:09
So not just my military service and not just my eight years in the Maryland general assembly. And not just my eight years as lieutenant governor. But all the things that I've -- and choices that I've made, my experience, but also judgment. Look at judgment, look at how I've exercised -- and when I say I, I mean all candidates, how we, you know, the judgment that was exercised. Try to get an insider feel for our character and personality because all of those things will factor into the decisions we make and the policies we pursue as your next governor.

BUSH

12:28:40
Going forward, looking at this, the Democratic primary this year, you hail from Prince George's County, your two opponents hail from Montgomery County. Those are now the two biggest counties in the State of Maryland. They have the population, the political power seems to be shifting to them, away from Baltimore. Going forward, does this mean they will be getting more focus? Particularly in Montgomery County, where they have long decried that they do not get back what they put into state government via tax dollars.

BROWN

12:29:05
Look, I believe that a governor has to govern for one Maryland. And you have to look both regionally and locally at where the needs are and what is our responsibility as a state. We have a responsibility for, example, and it's in our constitution to provide adequate public education to every, you know, Maryland child. And so that's going to be true whether you're in Montgomery County or whether you're in Baltimore City.

BROWN

12:29:32
So the work of a governor in working with the legislature and delegations from Montgomery and Prince George's County and Washington County and around the state, is to make sure that there is, you know, fair and equitable allocation of resources and insuring that, you know, we're addressing the needs. In terms of education, every child should get a world-class education. In terms of public safety, right, we ought to be looking at those areas where you have higher incidence of crime.

BROWN

12:30:00
And that's where resources should go. That doesn't mean you ignore those communities where they have low crime, but obviously, where there's higher crime, you're going to devote higher resources. So…

BUSH

12:30:10
I think the point to that though is that those are two counties that do border on Virginia and there's always been this that Virginia's trying to take -- businesswise, is trying to take jobs and economic growth away from those two counties. And in many ways they say they don't -- particularly in Montgomery County, they say we don't get enough help from the state.

BROWN

12:30:24
So if you look at -- if you look at the Brown-Ulman Five-Point Jobs Plan, it begins with infrastructure. And infrastructure like the $2.3 billion Purple Line in Prince George's County and Montgomery County. It includes infrastructure investments in schools n Prince George and Montgomery County. While the need is still great, we have done well in the national capital region when it comes to school construction.

BROWN

12:30:54
There's more that has to be done. There's no doubt. And I look forward to working with those two delegations to do for Montgomery and Prince George's what we're able to do for Baltimore.

NNAMDI

12:31:01
When you talk about comparing Virginia and Maryland, that's what Michael, in New Carrollton, Md., wants to do. Michael, you're on the air. Go ahead, please.

MICHAEL

12:31:09
All right. My question is very short. And my question is I am a limo driver. I sit down. I live in Maryland. And in Virginia, to get a license to drive limo or sit down, all you need is your driving license. But in Maryland, no. You have to go to Public Service Commission. And nowadays, actually I have to find somebody to hire me before I get the license. And then I have to get all the fingerprint, everything. Is this to hurt the small people trying to get a job? Actually, you're discouraging them. What is happening to the Public Service Commission doing all these things? That's my question.

BROWN

12:31:53
Let's talk a little bit more broadly about business climate, right, Virginia and Maryland. And I think Michael raises the issue of, you know, the regulatory environment in Maryland, right. Getting a -- he uses the example of getting a limousine driver's license. You can talk to a lot of business owners, small entrepreneurial business owners, large businesses, and one of the things that often comes up in that conversation…

NNAMDI

12:32:18
Too much bureaucracy.

BROWN

12:32:19
Too much bureaucracy, government is slow to respond. And when you look at our Five-Point Jobs Plan, point number four is a much more responsive government. So there's some low-hanging fruit, there's some regulations that we can streamline, maybe even eliminate, but let's be clear. The regulations are designed to protect the public, to protect the environment, to protect consumers in the workplace. I believe -- Ken Ulman, my running mate, and I believe that we can protect all of those interests, but do it in a way that it's not overly burdensome.

NNAMDI

12:32:51
Under a Brown administration, will Michael be able to get his limo driver's license more easily than were he in Virginia?

BROWN

12:32:57
Yes.

SHERWOOD

12:32:59
There you go.

NNAMDI

12:32:59
You heard that, Michael.

SHERWOOD

12:33:00
Michael, campaign promise.

BROWN

12:33:02
No, not -- well, okay. Okay. I'm not saying it's going to be the identical process as Virginia, but our goal will be to streamline and make much effective and cost effective someone's ability to comply with our regulations.

SHERWOOD

12:33:14
Some people might be surprised Virginia has any requirements, but that's -- I want to go back to your personal life and where you say don't judge me on my military record, but judge me on my whole life. Because Laslo Boyd, in the Center Maryland Blog wrote this week that you're virtually going to have a coronation if things work out the way the polls suggest, but that we still know -- quoting him, "we still know relatively little about Brown, beyond his official biography."

SHERWOOD

12:33:43
I read your official biography and for example, you're very family oriented. You talk about domestic violence and education, immigration opportunities, but you're official biography doesn't give your whole life. It leaves out, for example, your first wife and the mother of your children. I'm just wondering, how much do we know about you, Anthony Brown, as a human being? (unintelligible).

NNAMDI

12:34:03
How much do you think we should know?

BROWN

12:34:05
Well, yeah, and so let me assure anyone that's concerned this is not a coronation. We -- I've assembled quite a team and we're focused, and we're committed. We're communicating to voters. We're working very hard to earn the vote of Marylanders so that when we -- if and when we're successful we'll be able to govern effectively.

BROWN

12:34:29
So let's see, Laslo, I was the first base coach at my son's little league baseball team until the campaign. I was overcome by the demands of the campaign. I love listening to my daughter play the violin and attending her recitals. And when she was on the All-County Orchestra in Prince George's County.

NNAMDI

12:34:48
Yeah, but where's the bad stuff?

SHERWOOD

12:34:50
No, no, it's not bad, it's not bad stuff.

BROWN

12:34:51
I drink Red Stripe beer. I like that.

SHERWOOD

12:34:55
No, not bad stuff. For example, this would have been my 44th wedding anniversary today, has I stayed married. Right. But your official biography doesn't name your first wife, to whom you were married 15 years.

BROWN

12:35:05
Yeah, I mean, and my…

SHERWOOD

12:35:08
I had to go to Wikipedia.

BROWN

12:35:08
…my mother was born in a small town called Altdorf, on the foothills of the Swiss Alps. And…

SHERWOOD

12:35:14
They might have that in there.

BROWN

12:35:15
…I love Swiss cheese and chocolate and -- but I don't own a Swiss watch. But I am pretty punctual and I'm on time. So…

BUSH

12:35:21
We'll keep that (unintelligible)…

SHERWOOD

12:35:21
But in terms of family…

BUSH

12:35:23
If you become governor, please keep that up.

BROWN

12:35:24
I will be.

BUSH

12:35:24
That was talked about on the campaign trail yesterday among reporters.

BROWN

12:35:27
And I'm currently married to Karmen Walker Brown, a beautiful, talented, supportive, loving, caring mother and wife.

NNAMDI

12:35:35
I want to go to Susan because we're running out of time very quickly.

SHERWOOD

12:35:36
Okay.

NNAMDI

12:35:38
Susan, in Silver Spring, Md. You're on the air, Susan. Go ahead, please.

SUSAN

12:35:41
Thank you for taking my call. Mr. Brown, I spent a fair amount of time at the early voting poll in Silver Spring. And many voters said quite bluntly, "It doesn't matter who wins. They're all the same." How would you respond to that?

BROWN

12:35:57
Well, let's see. In a…

NNAMDI

12:35:59
How do you distinguish yourself -- in one minute or less -- from your opponents?

BUSH

12:36:04
And how do you distinguish yourself from the Martin O'Malley? A lot of people say this would just be the extension.

SHERWOOD

12:36:08
In 50 seconds.

BROWN

12:36:09
Okay. Well, I mean, the Martin O'Malley, I mean, look, I'm a first generation American. I spent eight years in the general assembly, 30 years on active military duty, I'm an adoptive parent. As people, our experiences are different. And if you believe me or agree, as I responded to a previous question, that voters are going to look at experience, lifetime experience, they're going to look at record and vision, then I am different than Martin O'Malley.

BROWN

12:36:39
Do we share the same fundamental values? Absolutely. Strong public schools and safe neighborhoods, clean environment and access to affordable quality healthcare. And we believe that government doesn't have the answers to all the questions. It does play an important backstop, particularly to vulnerable populations. So we share many fundamental values, but we're different people.

NNAMDI

12:36:58
Anthony Brown, thank you so much for joining us.

BROWN

12:37:01
Thank you, Kojo.

NNAMDI

12:37:02
Anthony Brown is a Democratic candidate for governor of Maryland. He's currently the state's lieutenant governor. Carol Schwartz will be joining shortly. She's an independent candidate for mayor of the District of Columbia. If you have questions or comments for her, give us a call at 800-433-8850. You can send email to kojo@wamu.org or send us a tweet, @kojoshow.

NNAMDI

12:37:23
Tom Sherwood, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office canceled the Washington Redskins trademark registration on Wednesday. That won't force the NFL team to change its name, but it fuels the intense fight by opponents, according to the Washington Post, to eliminate what they view as a racial slur against Native Americans. The trademark registrations will remain effective, however, during any appeal process. And that, in fact, could take years, but this seems like just another blow to the team because of the name that it has chosen to continue.

SHERWOOD

12:37:57
Yes. And you had, I think, this was a subject of one of your shows this week.

NNAMDI

12:38:00
Yes.

SHERWOOD

12:38:01
I went yesterday to the National Museum of the American Indian and talked to people coming out. And I got -- as I expected -- a diverse of few people who think the name is -- well, it's not part of the horrible history the Redskins name. That it's part of a football team that they wish would do better. There are people who think it's terrible. Then I interviewed Andrew -- I want to say his last name correctly -- who's from the -- Montana.

SHERWOOD

12:38:31
And I can't remember now the Indian tribe. But he was just saying, you know, this is just something that is building more and more and more. And that it's going to change. It's just a matter of when. It would be better for Snyder -- who has hired a public relations firm to help him handle this crisis -- maybe to start thinking about ways to change his position. Because even though the patent trade office thing will take a long time, the trend line is fairly certain.

NNAMDI

12:38:58
Tom Sherwood is our resident analyst. He's a reporter at NBC 4 and a columnist for the Current Newspapers. Matt Bush refuses to leave. He's our guest analyst.

BUSH

12:39:06
I -- if you want me to stay, I can.

SHERWOOD

12:39:07
I invited him as an outsider, you know, to say some things.

BUSH

12:39:09
Tom put me up to a question here for…

NNAMDI

12:39:11
He's a reporter for WAMU 88.5.

BUSH

12:39:12
So I'm going to ask it because Tom put me up to it. So…

NNAMDI

12:39:14
And joining us in studio is Carol Schwartz. She's an independent candidate for mayor of the District of Columbia, former member of the D.C. Council. She held an at-large seat as a Republican. Carol Schwartz, thank you for joining us. Welcome.

MS. CAROL SCHWARTZ

12:39:25
Well, hi, gentlemen. I'm glad to be here.

NNAMDI

12:39:26
You get your chance to weigh in on the conversation we're currently having…

SCHWARTZ

12:39:30
Oh, I just heard it.

NNAMDI

12:39:30
…about the name of the Washington football team and the Patent Office.

SCHWARTZ

12:39:32
Listen, it thrills my soul to have heard that decision. And I don't know if you all recall, but back in 2001, long before most people were thinking or talking about this at all, I put a resolution forward to the Council of the District of Columbia, calling on the owner of the team -- I don't say the name. I haven't said the name of the team in 13 years -- calling on the owner of the team to change the name. It's hurtful.

SCHWARTZ

12:39:32
Listen, it thrills my soul to have heard that decision. And I don't know if you all recall, but back in 2001, long before most people were thinking or talking about this at all, I put a resolution forward to the council of the District of Columbia calling on the owner of the team. I don't say the name. I haven't said the name of the team in 13 years -- calling on the owner of the team to change the name. It's hurtful. If you look it up in the dictionary, it means the same thing as the N-word of the K-word for a Jewish person. And I could go on and on. And why should we have a team name, the Washington, whatever, that is hurtful?

SCHWARTZ

12:40:16
And so this was 13 years ago. And then I just happened to be chair of the Washington area Council of Governments at that time. And I've took the resolution to them, and they passed it 11-to-2 with three abstentions, which was pretty amazing. And the Council passed it 12-to-1, the D.C. Council. So 13 years ago, I was trying to be -- get this thing done. I'm getting weary waiting for it to happen. I do, as I agree with Tom, I don't know why the owner, who wants good will, can't change the name. A polling changed the name of his team because it was hurtful, and life went on.

NNAMDI

12:40:55
Both Tom Sherwood and I have known you for much longer than 13 years. And I think I can speak for Tom when I say we both thought that you were finished with politics and that we were both surprised when you announced a little more than a week ago that you were entering the race for mayor of the District of Columbia. Why?

SCHWARTZ

12:41:15
Well, it's several reasons. One, since you all know me, you know I've been a sad puppy since I went out of political life. I didn't go out by choice. I'd actually given sick leave to workers. I'm a very bad person because I did that. I'm a very proud bad person, by the way. But they came after me because of it, and they knew they couldn't get me in the general election where I'd gotten 94,000 votes the four years earlier. And so they came after me in the primary. And they registered all the young Republicans, and they were successful. It was...

SHERWOOD

12:41:48
Who's they?

SCHWARTZ

12:41:49
Well, they were the mainly...

SHERWOOD

12:41:52
D.C. Chamber of Commerce.

SCHWARTZ

12:41:53
Well, and mainly the garage owners.

SHERWOOD

12:41:56
Garage owners.

SCHWARTZ

12:41:56
They put together a PAC, so they were able to raise unlimited money. You didn't have to abide by the regular rules. And...

SHERWOOD

12:42:03
And David Catania was part of that coalition.

SCHWARTZ

12:42:05
I believe he was.

NNAMDI

12:42:08
When you announced that you were getting into this race, you essentially said that part of it was because you didn't see the kind of leadership skills among the general election candidates that you feel are necessary to guide the city in a critical time. What do you mean by that? Where do you think your opponents come up short in the leadership department?

SCHWARTZ

12:42:27
Well, I said that in my statement because I believe it. I think that -- but I really want to try to run a very positive campaign and talk about me and the depth and the breadth of my experience, my record, my commitment to this city. And so I think, in all those categories, I certainly am far and away the better mayoral candidate.

SCHWARTZ

12:42:53
I also -- when I was on the Council, I was kind of -- jokingly, they used to call me a policewoman because I was watching earmarks and all the kinds of things that were going on. And they tried to get me to raise constituent service funds. I wouldn't do it. And as soon as I left, they did. And you saw what happened. Earmarks and those funds just blew up in their faces. And...

SHERWOOD

12:43:17
It...

SCHWARTZ

12:43:17
...so I think that -- I think the kind of integrity and courage I bring to political life is needed. And I think I can bring back our reputation. And we need to have it brought back.

NNAMDI

12:43:29
Let me get one more in before Tom and Matt take over because they will. David Catania's campaign manager...

SCHWARTZ

12:43:34
I see they're just...

NNAMDI

12:43:36
They're chomping at the bit.

NNAMDI

12:43:37
David Catania's campaign manager has already suggested that you're in this race for the sole purpose of drawing votes away from him. He called you Suleiman Schwartz. Frankly, I thought that was an insult to your career as a longtime public servant. But how do you respond to the suggestion that you may be working in concert with -- Muriel Bowser style?

SHERWOOD

12:43:55
Or not, or just to draw votes to make sure that David Catania, your almost moral enemy, doesn't win?

SCHWARTZ

12:44:03
Well, listen, gentlemen, I ran for mayor when I think the person you mentioned was, like, a teenager. I wanted...

SHERWOOD

12:44:11
Or there's another name you're not going to name?

SCHWARTZ

12:44:13
Yes. That's another name I'm not going to name.

SHERWOOD

12:44:15
Well, I think that gives you an indication of the feeling. But here we go.

SCHWARTZ

12:44:19
But I did that when he was a teenager. I ran again in 1994. I don't know his age at the time. In 1998, 2002, that had nothing to do with him. This race has nothing to do with him.

SHERWOOD

12:44:36
Can I -- let's clear this 'cause I know Matt wants to get in here. Would you be in this race if David Catania were not?

SCHWARTZ

12:44:44
Absolutely, yes.

SHERWOOD

12:44:44
OK. Then if that's the case, what is it about Muriel Bowser that -- why you would be a better mayor than her? Specifically, you'll be -- you think you'll be better than Muriel Bowser. Is she inexperienced? I mean, you've got to have some reasons.

SCHWARTZ

12:44:58
Well...

SHERWOOD

12:44:58
We know the David Catania story now.

SCHWARTZ

12:44:59
Let's just put it this way, Tom. I have more experience. My record as is, like, very long and very deep and encompasses all areas of the city, whether it be starting the Department of the Environment, whether it be -- well, it, you know, parking regulations. Every issue you can think of, separating out the fire department from the EMS, which I called for years ago, every...

SHERWOOD

12:45:25
You were against school reform and giving the mayor the control of...

SCHWARTZ

12:45:28
Oh, that's not true. I was working on school...

SHERWOOD

12:45:29
You voted against it.

SCHWARTZ

12:45:30
Well, wait a minute, Tom. I was for school reform in the 1970s.

SHERWOOD

12:45:33
I'm sorry. You were for school reform, but you were against the mayor takeover.

SCHWARTZ

12:45:35
I was against...

SHERWOOD

12:45:36
You and Phil Mendelson.

SCHWARTZ

12:45:37
I was against doing away with the elected Board of Education. We had so few...

SHERWOOD

12:45:40
The school (unintelligible)...

NNAMDI

12:45:42
That was the first office you had in the District of Columbia, on that elected school.

SCHWARTZ

12:45:44
Exactly. And we had so few -- so little democracy in this town. Why would we take it away from ourselves? And that's why I was against that proposal -- school reform, yes.

NNAMDI

12:45:54
Our guest is Carol Schwartz. She is an independent candidate for mayor of the District of Columbia, former member of the D.C. Council.

SHERWOOD

12:45:59
Yes, I misspoke my...

NNAMDI

12:46:00
She held an at-large seat as a Republican. 800-433-8850 if you have questions or comments for her. Matt Bush.

BUSH

12:46:08
So Tom was helping me formulate this question. I'll say this, you've been out of office since 2008. In those six years...

SCHWARTZ

12:46:14
Actually, January 2009.

BUSH

12:46:16
OK. January 2009, sorry.

SHERWOOD

12:46:16
January (unintelligible).

SCHWARTZ

12:46:17
Yes.

BUSH

12:46:18
So five years, five-and-a-half years. The city, particularly, you know, there's been a lot of recent -- there's been a lot of people who have moved here in those five years who may not know who you are. And it's going to be -- and it would be a lot of younger people who are getting their first jobs out of college. They came to D.C. They wanted to be -- a lot of people who came because of Barack Obama's presidency and wanting to get involved in public service in jobs and -- or in government jobs and things like that. So how do you introduce yourself to those people who may not know who you are?

SCHWARTZ

12:46:43
Well, one, I'm on the street all the time. I'm carrying my own petitions around. I'm meeting people that way. Also, we invite people to go to my website, which is carolfordc.com, and you can spell out for or use the number, carolfordc.com. And we have a lot of information on that there about me. I know I'm going to have to reintroduce myself to the old timers and introduce -- except many of those I don't seem to have to reintroduce myself to. They've been ringing my phone off the hook. And they were also yelling at me on the street, run, Carol, run.

SCHWARTZ

12:47:19
And then I ran, and they've been here for me. I think the newcomers are going to be a bigger challenge. I'm also a little older, but I hope they'll look at the breadth and depth of my experience. I hope they'll look at my energy level which remains, knock on wood, very strong and that they will elect someone who's mature, who gets along well with people, who respects everyone, who has a good record, loves this city, and let -- and I want to lead it forward, and I want them involved as well as everyone else.

SHERWOOD

12:47:52
People who I know who love you, who know you, they will say, you would -- they don't doubt for a moment your passion about being mayor, that you not only would be -- want to be mayor, that you would be, in their view, a good mayor. It just seems that this electorate has changed a lot though, as Matt was suggesting. And there's...

SCHWARTZ

12:48:13
Well, Tom, we'll see. I think there are...

SHERWOOD

12:48:15
But what kind of -- what's going to be different for -- this is the fifth time you've run for mayor. I do remember on Freedom Plaza, your first words were, this is it, folks. And that was your...

SCHWARTZ

12:48:25
Oh, well.

SHERWOOD

12:48:26
But that was then. This is now. So how are you going to run?

SCHWARTZ

12:48:29
Well, listen, the people also help bring me back. I can tell you it wasn't just a decision I make.

SHERWOOD

12:48:32
You have a hundred percent enthusiasm. I don't doubt -- how are you going to -- these -- I mean, the other candidates have posters. They have...

NNAMDI

12:48:37
What's your campaign strategies?

SHERWOOD

12:48:38
They have campaign operations.

SCHWARTZ

12:48:39
I just got out here 10 days ago. And we've got, like, probably 50 people out getting petitions signed for me. We're not paying people to do it. We actually have a beginning of an army of volunteers. I...

SHERWOOD

12:48:50
Who's organizing that? Are you doing that?

SCHWARTZ

12:48:52
Absolutely, me and my deputy campaign manager, Hillary Schwartz.

SHERWOOD

12:48:57
Oh, that's -- and your daughter, delightful person.

SCHWARTZ

12:48:58
My daughter.

NNAMDI

12:48:59
How about fundraising? Do you have a strategy for fundraising?

SCHWARTZ

12:49:01
Well, listen...

NNAMDI

12:49:02
Are there people from whom or people or organizations that you will solicit for money? Are there people, organizations, or businesses from whom you will not be taking money?

SCHWARTZ

12:49:10
Well, I'm not going to be taking money from LLCs. I'm...

SHERWOOD

12:49:13
Corporations.

SCHWARTZ

12:49:14
Well, I'm going to take money from corporations. They, like any individual, can give a maximum of $2,000. But a corporation then can't turn to their LLCs -- and many of them have five and 10 LLCs -- and give $2,000 from each of those. I think, you know, the Council obviously felt those were repugnant, so they passed legislation to do away with the LLC contributions.

SCHWARTZ

12:49:39
And yet, when it comes to this election, that law doesn't go in, interestingly enough, till January of 1952 -- 2015, which is obviously after the election. But, you know what, just because you can do it doesn't mean you should do it. And I could legally do it and probably successfully do it, but I'm not going to do it.

SHERWOOD

12:50:03
How about -- can we go to the issues?

NNAMDI

12:50:05
I was going to specific issues.

SHERWOOD

12:50:06
Oh, good, go ahead.

NNAMDI

12:50:06
I was going to start with schools. When you going to go...

SHERWOOD

12:50:07
We'll let you join the conversation, Kojo. You're on the air.

NNAMDI

12:50:10
I appreciate it.

NNAMDI

12:50:12
There are a number of issues that a new mayor is likely to inherit. The plans to table to overhaul the city's boundaries for public schools, what do you make of those plans thus far? And what is the broader philosophy that you think should be guiding the city's approach to this issue?

SCHWARTZ

12:50:27
Well, I certainly like the second proposal that they have tweaked a great deal better than the first one. But I think there's still a long way to go. I -- one of the concerns I have is the -- by redrawing the boundaries away they're doing, like, at Eastern and Wilson, we're going to have pretty much segregated high schools. And I sent my children nowhere but the D.C. Public Schools.

SCHWARTZ

12:50:55
And one of the great appeals of those schools was the integrated nature of those schools. So I am certainly not in favor of some of the portions of the proposal. I understand that, because of school closings, they're going to have to redraw some boundaries because you have children that are there with no neighborhood school right now, and they have to do something. But this dramatic change I don't think is needed.

SCHWARTZ

12:51:21
And I also think they just should put on a stop -- not maybe a permanent stop because there is something that needs to be done -- but at least a temporary stop. I think we've got a new mayor coming in, whether it be me or someone else. I think they should be able to weigh in on this. I do like the fact that this -- they are -- the chancellor and the state superintendent are really reaching out to the community to get comments. And it's becoming an open and transparent process.

NNAMDI

12:51:50
Will you keep the chancellor, Kaya Henderson?

SCHWARTZ

12:51:52
I would.

SHERWOOD

12:51:52
OK. Here's the...

SCHWARTZ

12:51:52
I very much would keep her, and I'll tell you why. Because I think we are starting to make progress. Why would we want to start all over again? Let's keep that progress going.

SHERWOOD

12:52:03
The problem with the boundaries is that September is a timetable for the mayor's administration, Mayor Gray, to put out the new proposal. And it goes into effect next year. The candidate whose name shall not be mentioned by you has said, let's pause and not have this and restudy it some more. Muriel Bowser has come out and said this. She also is not for this program. Whatever happens, do you think boundaries should go into effect next year? Or should it be looked at more thoroughly?

SCHWARTZ

12:52:29
I think it should be looked at more thoroughly. But where there is immediate need, such as the individuals whose schools got closed, I think those can be done probably not too emotionally now. And that's a real need. I think the other is a discussion...

SHERWOOD

12:52:46
What about legal marijuana? I don't want to -- we've got lots of issues, legal marijuana.

SCHWARTZ

12:52:49
OK. I...

NNAMDI

12:52:51
Wait a minute. Don't answer that yet because I think that Joe in Washington, D.C. has the same question. Let's see if Joe has anymore to add to that question. Joe, you're on the air. Go ahead, please.

JOE

12:53:02
Hi, Ms. Schwartz. I go to Alice Deal Middle School, and I just graduated a couple days ago. I'm curious about your opinion on the legalization of marijuana because it's already very accessible in our school. And I'm wondering how you think that it should be dealt with.

SCHWARTZ

12:53:15
Well, listen, I was for a medicinal marijuana. I voted for it when it was on the Council and when it got stuck in Congress. I went up there and lobbied to get it unstuck so that people that needed it for medical reasons could have it. I am not for legalizing marijuana. I think we have enough. And now that I travel around on the streets again and I see people that are so stoned on alcohol and other drugs, and many of them marijuana, I think we have enough of a stoned population. I want to get them off of drugs. I certainly don't want to add to it.

SHERWOOD

12:53:50
Are you for decriminalization?

SCHWARTZ

12:53:52
Oh, absolutely. Oh, I wouldn't...

SHERWOOD

12:53:53
OK. Just not legal. Not Colorado. You don't want to be Colorado East.

SCHWARTZ

12:53:55
Oh, no. Not -- I don't want to be Colorado. And -- but I do -- I am for medicinal marijuana. I am for the decriminalization of marijuana, but I am not for the recreational use of marijuana.

BUSH

12:54:09
Affordable housing, The Post had this story about Millennials wanting to stay in D.C. But once they start having families and then they have to start paying for things like childcare and all of that, they wouldn't be -- they couldn't afford to continue to live in D.C. What can you do? That's, without question, I think an issue that is affecting so many areas in this area.

SCHWARTZ

12:54:24
Oh, it's one of my...

BUSH

12:54:25
Now, how do you tackle that?

SCHWARTZ

12:54:26
It's one of my top priorities, and we're already -- I've got people looking at best practices around the country in affordable housing. I chaired the regional taskforce on affordable housing for years, so I do know some best practices. I think Mayor Gray has led us -- starting to lead us in the right direction on affordable housing. Listen, I love the diversity of our city. And I want to keep that diversity. I want to attract people. And I -- one of the things that I love about this city, it's not just racial diversity, but also its economic diversity. And in order to keep it, we've got to have the affordable housing component. And I've worked very hard on that.

NNAMDI

12:55:05
One of the aspects of diversity seems to be an increase in soccer fans. The Council is going to meet next Thursday to chat about a fairly complicated and contentious plan to provide some public funds for a new soccer stadium for DC United, a deal that would involve the city swapping the Reeves Center site at 14th and U, one of the hottest locations in the city, for the land where the stadium would be built at Buzzards Point. Are you a supporter of the plan as its drawn out?

SCHWARTZ

12:55:31
I -- my great -- I'd love to see soccer come here. I've been a supporter of the team. In fact, I used to do Council resolutions commending them on their wins. And I would do it. It was my -- I was the impetus for those resolutions. But I don't -- the deal as I know it is -- Reeves Center, I do not like seeing the Reeves Center go. It is, you know, I heard it was appraised at, like, 180-some-odd-million dollars. And we're selling it for $55 million. Whereas we seem to be paying top dollar, $21 million, for that little parcel that we want for the stadium.

SCHWARTZ

12:56:10
And I'll tell you, the Reeves Center -- you know, I can't stand when we sell our property. It's not there for future generations. And then when we give it away or partially give it away -- if we're going to sell it, let's put it to the highest bidder and look at what we get the most benefit out of, not just constantly traded away. And so I -- that component of it, I hope that Mr. (word?) would look at another piece of property he might like and not the Reeves Center.

SHERWOOD

12:56:36
Streetcar. The big issue about streetcars, 37-mile system. The mayor put in a bunch of money to fund it in the out years. Council took it out. They have some issues now about that budget. But your own view about how fast the city should push for the streetcars?

SCHWARTZ

12:56:49
Well, that one I don't have a strong opinion about. I'll look into it.

NNAMDI

12:56:54
Here is Clyde in Washington, D.C. Clyde, you're on the air. We only have about a minute left. But go ahead, Clyde.

CLYDE

12:57:01
Thanks, Kojo. I'll be less than 30 seconds. Hi, Carol. I'm glad that you've entered the race. I'm a registered Democrat. I'm a third-generation Washingtonian. I voted for you when you ran for mayor. I will vote for you this time. Please stay in the race. As far as streetcars are concerned...

SCHWARTZ

12:57:14
I ain't going anywhere.

CLYDE

12:57:16
Oh, excellent. Excellent. We don't need streetcars. We need more money for schools, public safety, and things of that nature. But thank you so much, and continue on.

SCHWARTZ

12:57:23
And thank you for your support.

CLYDE

12:57:25
You're welcome.

NNAMDI

12:57:25
Thank you for your call. The Council voted recently for the largest income tax cut the city has seen in 15 years. The city's chief financial officer this week said he's concerned those cuts might bust the city's budget. How do you see it?

SCHWARTZ

12:57:36
Well, listen, I'm for tax cuts. I think we're among the highest tax to citizens in the United States. And so I would like to -- taxpayers to keep more of their money.

NNAMDI

12:57:46
We just have to find a way to make them work.

SCHWARTZ

12:57:47
And we'll have to find a way to make them work. And I also like the middle class tax cut. I think that's long overdue. So I hope money will keep coming in and that we will have the money to do the tax cuts. I certainly would have voted for it if I were there.

NNAMDI

12:58:00
Carol Schwartz, we're down to 20 seconds. She's an independent candidate for mayor of the District of Columbia, former member of the D.C. Council who held an at-large seat as a Republican. Thank you for joining us. Good luck to you.

SCHWARTZ

12:58:11
Well, thank you. I'm glad to be here.

NNAMDI

12:58:12
Tom Sherwood is our resident analyst, reporter at NBC 4 and a columnist for the Current Newspapers. Always a pleasure.

SHERWOOD

12:58:17
Watch out for misguided golf balls.

NNAMDI

12:58:19
Matt Bush, go away, please.

BUSH

12:58:21
I've got to be back Tuesday.

NNAMDI

12:58:23
Thank you all for listening. I'm Kojo Nnamdi.
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