Raising Education Standards: Washington to Shanghai
http://thekojonnamdishow.org/shows/2011-01-05/raising-education-standards-washington-shanghai
Debates about education standards and reform often happen at the local, state, and national level without much talk of what's going on abroad. But recent test results show the United States trails behind some developed and developing nations in reading, writing, and math performance. Join us as we expand the education debate and learn more about education policy and reform in a globalizing world.
Guests
Tom Loveless
Senior Fellow, Governance Studies, Brookings Institution
Andreas Schleicher
Head of the Indicators and Analysis Division, Directorate for Education, Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD); Director, Program for International Student Assessment (PISA)
Lucia Buchanan Pierce
Partner, Shanghai Education Consulting Associates
Pasi Sahlberg
Director General, Center for International Mobility and Cooperation (CIMO) (Helsinki, Finland)

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I am from Germany originally. I think in the US sports and extra curricular activities play a very large role in school, and because of that, the academic focus suffers, I think. If school would only be for academics, I think the US results on Pisa would dramatically increase....
Thanks, Great Show.
Gabriele from Oakton
I'm a Chinese-American. There's an intrinsic difference in how we educate our children between the two cultures. Chinese on one hand stress conformity through raw memorization and repetition, as a result they excel in subjects that revolve around rigorous rules like mathematics, but lose when it comes to creativity (hence why China's new fighter jet looks remarkably like our F-22).
In America we place a significantly larger focus on individualism in our children's development which helps aid in creativity, but for subjects like math in which there is only one right answer to a problem, our children are ill-equipped to handle.
I think the solution would be to put more emphasis in the necessity of raw memorization when it comes down to subjects like mathematics at a young age.
I believe the low quality of US teachers is a problem - teaching is a very low-pay profession that does not attract the "best and the brightest" in this country. Second, the cultural impact cannot be understated - cultures which value education will produce better educated children. This starts with the parents, and moves up to a national consciousness - in our pop culture, those who are smart are ridiculed, I wonder if there are even words for "geek" or "nerd" in China or Finland?
Lastly, in response to the initial discussion regarding Sputnik, I have spent a lot of time in Ukraine - former USSR - where the school day is longer, children attend school 6 days per week, and education is highly stressed in culture. The US does not have this focus or this schedule - they are more concerned with ENTERTAINMENT (sports, tv, facebook) than EDUCATION, which is sad.
Great show. Thank you. I attended schools in Czechoslovakia, later Slovakia. The system there has changed but at that time, we were heavily focused on academics and just didn’t have that much time for sports and didn’t even consider working part time. I started a university in Slovakia and was disappointed with the lack of creativity and critical thinking and left. I finished my undergraduate and later got my graduate education at American universities and was impressed with the level of critical thinking. On the other hand, I do agree that in comparison (I also lived in Iceland, England, Italy and Germany and I’m somewhat familiar with their school systems) the US schools put a lot less emphasis on the depth and breadth of the material covered. I, for example, was way ahead in my knowledge of math when compared with my fellow American students. In a nut shell, I’d add that I might have forgotten a lot of the math and sciences that we covered, but I gained the discipline that goes with the heavy academic load covered early on. Basically, I think that achieving the balance—proper amount of academics--age appropriate, critical thinking and extra curriculum activities is what is needed. Some countries, apparently China, figured they need more critical thinking and I think it’s quite appropriate to focus in the US on improving the quality of teachers and requiring the students to simply master more material. I’d just add, and I apologize if I missed this in the show, but for example high schools in many European countries separate students according to their capabilities. It’s not that students choose harder courses, they are from early on in schools (similar to prep schools) that prepare them for universities. To my knowledge, most kids from these schools go to college. Hence, the preparation for college starts there a lot earlier than in the US and on the other hand, some kids are early on a track not to go to a university.
Overall, a very interesting topic. Thank you.
I am writing a book on education reform, including
inconsistencies in the debates.
One stands out - Health vs Education
The US ranks 37th in the world in Infant mortality.
[see http://www.geographyiq.com/ranking/ranking_Infant_Mortality_Rate_aall.htm]
Yet the same people who attack the education system
often proclaim that we have the best health system in the world.
They can ignore that we rank 37th , but that we rank
17th in the world in education is cause for tearing down the system.
I think they want to tear down the system so
that private interests can make money,
but that's just me.
Still, there is a clear correlation between general indicators
of well-being and how people do in education.
Thanks,
Brian Ford
PS -- Help me plug my book.
First, the US has to do something about the teacher education. They need to be highly trained, and then treated accordingly as professionals in their field, with trust and power to do the job they were trained to do. At the moment they are just paid puppets, who do the work they are told to do. With a higher education, more pay, and trust & respect I think we could start seeing results.
An other major reform need lies in the one-size-fits-all thinking. Not every Kindergartner needs to spend 6+ hours at the school. We could cut the day in half; offer school-like activities in the morning, and an enrichment progarm in the afternoon for those who need it. The US ed system pushes too hard in the beginning, and then not enough when the students get in the middle school level.
Thirdly, the curriculum needs to be better aligned with the developmental stages of the students, so that we teach them the right stuff at the right time. And in depth, not just scratching a topic from the surface, to promote learning not just memorazing.
This program was music to my ears. We are teaching a physics lab and instead of teaching the students all about the properties of force, then laying out a Lab and tell them what will happen, and then during the Lab, prove that the teacher was right - We are doing it backwards.
We are doing a lab first. The students are given an objective, and they need to come-up with a process, and document the results. Then we have a class-wide discussion about what happened. This mimics real life processes of exploration, and evaluation.
We are using trebuchets as our target instrument and explaining the different forces using individual experiments.
I understand why this is a hard pill to swallow, but I can't tell you how effective it has been todate.
I was especially interested in Kojo's persistence in how it is effecting the industry of a country - and they had a million excuses as to why they couldn't make this analysis. All they could focus on was tests, not knowledge.
Well done Kojo - I applaud your efforts.
Chris
www.supertrebs.com