Town & Gown Relations: Universities Plan New Construction

Town & Gown Relations: Universities Plan New Construction

What expansion plans at Georgetown University & American University mean for those living in neighborhoods nearby.

As local universities undertake new construction on campus, they face the challenge of balancing student and faculty needs with the concerns of campus neighbors. Recently, Georgetown University and American University each drafted a Ten Year Plan, now up for public review. We find out about the changes coming to two of the District's biggest land-owners.

Guests

Todd Olson

Vice President for Student Affairs and Dean of Students, Georgetown University

Jorge Abud

Assistant Vice President for Facilities Development and Real Estate, American University

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Hello,

As president of the citizens association representing Burleith, a neighboring community to Georgetown University, I am happy to see the issue of the campus plan being brought to the Kojo Nnamdi show.

I would like to suggest that Mr. Nnamdi include the local citizens associations that are actively opposing this plan to shed light on the detrimental effect GU is having on our communities.

Not only are the communities of Burleith, Georgetown, Foxhall and Hillandale united in our opposition to the plan but the respective ANCs are strongly opposing the plan. I am sure the communities surrounding American University would welcome an invitation as well.

For more information on the Burleith's opposition please go to
http://burleith.org/gucampusplan2.html

Lenore Rubino
President of the Burleith Citizens Association

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:05pm

I am disappointed that community leaders were not asked to join the show. The Universities are no longer "non-profit" entities and are indeed large corporations which have responsibilities to their neighbors. Citizens' groups are finally getting together to review the Universities' tax-deductible status and these low interest municipal bonds which are distributed to institutions which are actively harming citizens.

GU has been pestering the neighboring communities with a "new transparency" in their numbers which means they were lying before this? . With a capital fund of over a "billion dollars", GU had the absolute gall to grab 221 million dollars in tmunicipal bonds through the Council which shares the blame. There's a lot of lip about family, community, democracy....in this city until a large institution comes out with guns lawyers and money and promises of jobs. For the record, GU hired thirty-two DC residents last year according to Ms. A. Graham of DOES so their constant patter about financial opportunity is nothing but "patter."
-Stephen R. Brown
http://www.removejack.com

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 11:38pm

The long expressed opposition to the GU plan by many stakeholders (neighboring ANCs, neighborhood associations, city council members) cries out for their inclusion in the show or in another show.
Why is there so much opposition to the GU plan? What are the relevant zoning regulations? Why has GU, with so many human and other resources, been unable to solve the threats to public health, safety, and quality of life represented by some of its students residing off campus?
I hope a future Kojo show will address these and other questions.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 2:02am

The Kojo Show is well-known and widely respected. I am sure that such an important media force would want to present both sides of an issue. Toward this end, I urge you to expose the citizens in the Washington area to all the arguments about Georgetown University’s Ten-Year Plan. The residents living in the communities surrounding GU are justly concerned about the effect on their quality of life and the stability of their neighborhoods if the Plan is implemented. I therefore hope that the Kojo Show will invite leaders of the affected communities to talk about our concerns and the negative implications on our daily lives if GU’s proposals come to fruition. Thank you.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 10:56am

For over a year, the neighborhood of Burleith has spent countless hours documenting the negative impact of unlicensed and poorly maintained properties, noise and disruptive behaviour. We have documented the high demand on city services of Georgetown's expansion policies. Our community has almost 50% rental rates, and most are GU student rentals. We have attempted to engage in productive discussion with Georgetown to no effect. We would like the opportunity to present our views on your show. Thank you.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:25am

The Kojo show is an important source of information for our community. Consequently, any show addressing Georgetown University’s proposed 10-year expansion plan should present all sides of this issue. GU’s previous expansion activities have stressed surrounding communities; this new proposed expansion will only exacerbate the existing problems. I encourage you to include leaders from the communities surrounding GU to present their positions on this debate. Many of your previous shows have aired different sides of the issue discussed. This topic should be no exception, since for those of us living around GU, it has implications for the stability of our neighborhoods and for the quality of our lives.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:34am

In keeping with the informed-citizenry tradition of the Kojo Nnamdi Show, I sincerely hope that you will give equal time in a subsequent program to the many community members and officials who oppose Georgetown University's 2010-2020 Campus Plan. Meanwhile, I would ask you to raise these questions: (1) Why has the ANC condemned the Georgetown plan so resoundingly? (2) Why have DC Councilmembers Mary Cheh and Jack Evans both gone on record with their strong opposition to the plan--even to the extent that Councilmember Cheh has agreed to testify against the plan when the matter is brought before the zoning commission? The surrounding neighborhoods have been flooded over the years by Georgetown students who, in the interests of institutional responsibility and respectful community relations, should be housed on campus. If Georgetown's plan is implemented, the proposed increase in student numbers will tip the quality-of-life scale in our communities beyond recovery.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 1:43pm

Traffic Question
Having just read GU"s recently introduced "traffic analysis", is the University satisfied with the E and F grades ("lowest possible but sometimes acceptable in urban areas") for the intersections they plan to modify and do they think adding 1000 more parking spaces and cars to the mix is going to help...
I quote from the report and not "out of context"...
"..., during the morning peak period, the intersection of Reservoir Road and Foxhall Road operates at unacceptable levels of service. Additionally, the intersection of Reservoir Road and 38th Street/Gate #1 operates at unacceptable levels of service during the afternoon peak period.”

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:24pm

I find it curious that this show that proposes to delve into town/gown issues will not have any representives from the town side. I ask that you reconsider. While GU representatives will tell you their plan is "modest" the communities surrounding Georgetown University would strongly disagree. We are currently being overwhelmed. Proposing to bring more students into the mix will only exacerbate an already untenable situation. We are at the tipping point. If GU's proposal is approved I worry that the neighborhoods as we know them will be destroyed.

This is a crucial time for the communities immediately surrounding the universities and the city as a whole. The topic is too important to just hear one side of the story.

Jennifer Altemus
President, Citizens Association of Georgetown

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:16pm

I own a home in Burleith, a lovely neighborhood of modest rowhouses that, unfortunately, is fast becoming a dormitory for Georgetown University(GU) because GU refuses to provide sufficient housing for its students on campus. The block on which I live went from 27% group rental homes in 2000 to 50% in 2009, most, if not all, occupied by GU students. Current zoning laws allow landlords to squeeze 6 students into these relatively small homes, so there are noise and property upkeep problems even when these houses are occupied by relatively considerate students, which, unfortunately is not always the case. GU's new 10-year plan proposes to add more than 2000 new students without providing any new on-campus housing. This will accelerate the already rapid destruction of what was once a neighborhood where families, seniors, couples and single people could live with a fine quality of life and maintain the value of their homes. I have lived most of my adult life in neighborhoods close to universities, including Madison, Wisconsin and Urbana-Champaign, Illinoisi, with their very large universities, but I have neverbefore encountered the adverse impacts caused here by GU.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 7:23pm

As you know, the subtitle of your show is, "What expansion plans at GU and AU mean for those living in neighborhoods nearby." Why have you left out the people (and listeners) who LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOODS NEARBY? Please reconsider your decision to share only one side of the story, or change the title of your show.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 8:52am

Dear Kojo Show:

I have an issue with the description of your show- "they [AU and GU] face the challenge of balancing student and faculty needs with the concerns of campus neighbors" Please be aware it is neither universities right to decide "balancing needs," but the City Zoning Regulations 210.2 REQUIRE both of these [businesses] to establish the burden of proof that their operations will not cause an objectionable impact upon the surrounding communities. It is very clear that neither of these businesses come anywhere close to meeting this requirement. I believe this show is being setup to be a one-sided argument by a wolf in sheeps clothes, unless the community voices are included in this show.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 9:35am

Hello Kojo,

While normally I very much appreciate the balance of opinions provided in your shows, this show is woefully lacking in balance. You only have the univerisities represented here and no one on the "Town" side of the Town-Gown issue. What kind of debate is that? I would like to know why you have not invited representatives from the various neighborhood advisory commissions who are extremely knowledgeable about the problems we have as residents and have been deeply involved in these issues for decades. Also, you could have selected an urban or community planning professional who could have spoken to the issues of large numbers of transient students in neighborhoods and how that affects the community. Why did you not invite someone who could speak to those issues in a balanced way? Inviting just two supporters of universities concerns on your program is far from a balanced debate on these issues. I am deeply dissapointed.

Finally to the GU plan - Let's not forget that GU promised all kinds of things to the community in their 2000 plan that they did not live up to, including REDUCING the number of students in our Burleith neighborhood from the 2000 level. Instead the numbers have been increasing steadily since 2000. Any new campus plan should require a reduction from the 2000 level of students in our neighborhoods, not a "modest" increase. And that means housing on campus to account for current student body, not just proposed future student enrollements.

Thank you for listening - please have another show on this important topic with a balanced mix of guests.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 3:22pm

As a long time resident of Burleith (over 10 years) I am disappointed to find out that your show this afternoon is so one-sided. As a parent with young children, I very much value the neighborhood and community feel of our small "village in the city." It is a haven in the city where neighbors look out for each other, can depend on each other, and create a small town atmosphere that is so important to us as a family.

That said, not everyone is willing to be a good neighbor. Whether it be late night parties, overgrown lawns, trash in the alley and beer cans on the curb, or unkept homes, the environment that student rental houses create can often be a nuisance. In fact, it can also be life threatening as with the house fire that occurred two doors down from me just one year ago.

I do hope that you will give thoughtful consideration to another show that allows community members to share their concerns with your listeners.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 9:54am

The western edge of the Georgetown University (GU) campus borders the National Park of Glover Archbold Park and the Foundry Branch watershed. GU's proposed campus plan includes construction of a "loop road" along that border, on the edge of steep slope that is part of that parkland. In addition to the concerns about the plan already noted, Foxhall Village neighborhood residents are gravely concerned about the negative environmental impacts on the park and the neighborhood of the proposed "loop road" and its proposed uses. The construction and use of this proposed "loop road" will lead to the removal of trees, further slope destabilization and increased erosion in the National Park, and increase in noise, light and air pollution from the proposed amount and type of traffic (GUTS buses) that will use the road. In addition the proposed "loop Road" is a potential violation of the University’s scenic easement agreement with the National Park Service. The noted slope has failed twice in the last five years, and has been a dumping ground for GU. There are options on the interior of the campus for GUTS bus turn-around that should seriously considered.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 11:48am

Dear Kojo,

I am very disappointed with today's Kojo Show on two counts. First, I'm disappointed because the great preponderance of time was devoted to the universities' perspectives; without equal representation of community perspectives, you therefore barely scratched the surface of the issues involved. I urge you to make such representation possible in future broadcasts that address the campus plans.

The second reason for my disappointment is that you completely missed the central point--namely, the Zoning Regulation that Georgetown University continues to violate. Advocates of the GU plan persist in making the same specious argument put forth by the caller from Hillandale (a GATED community, by the way, whose residential association nevertheless also opposes GU's plan). To paraphrase this argument: "The university was here first; if you don't like it, why did you move into a neighboring community? It was your choice; live with it or leave." Among other reasons, this argument is faulty because it conveniently neglects the fact that the burden of adjustment falls upon the university BY LAW. The Zoning Regulation that controls the approval of the campus plan states that "the university shall be located so that it is not likely to become objectionable to neighboring property because of noise, traffic, number of students, or other objectionable conditions." The regulation does NOT expect, much less require, the communities to adjust to university actions that the neighbors deem objectionable.

David Bachner
Burleith

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 2:43pm

I agree that THE KOJO SHOW WAS EXTREMELY BIASED AND NOTHING LESS THAN A PROPAGANDA SHOW FOR AU AND GU. KOJO your show just lost a lot of credibility by catering to these two businesses.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 2:51pm

Kojo,
As a regular listener to your show I was terribly disappointed in your so called Town/Gown show today. You were all gown - no town! Both GU and AU had almost a full hour telling us what good neighbors they are. PLEASE, sooner than later, give the Town side equal time.
As a long time member of WAMU I will think long and hard before renewing that membership.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 3:15pm

How fortunate for the caller from Hillandale to live so close to the campus, yet be free of any problems with loud parties or threatened property values due to slum-condition student group houses.

She lives in Hillandale, a gated community with very few students.

She asks why anyone would choose to live in a student-heavy neighborhood and then complain about it: Well, I complain because years ago I chose a very different neighborhood than the one I live in now. Same house, same location, but now many more students and an increasing number of houses falling into decline.

Maybe this is all part of Georgetown U.'s greater master plan: Run property values into the ground, then buy up the neighborhood and expand that way -- the way GW did it.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 5:22pm

To Kojo and Kojo show producers,

I was astonished by yesterday's show on GU's and AU's campus plans. We look to the Kojo show for fairness, integrity, depth, tough questions, and tough follow up questions. What we got yesterday was an hour long PR campaign for AU and GU courtesy of Kojo.

Where was mention much less discussion of zoning law, ANC resolutions, and the opposition to the plan(s) by Council members Cheh and Evans? Where were some statistics regarding the actual number of GU students in the surrounding neighborhoods and their impact on the neighborhoods? Where was mention that every neighborhood on GU's perimeter is fighting their plan. As I am a member of a neighborhood adjacent to GU, I know these issues and not the specifics of the opposition to AU's plans. But I can well imagine listeners in AU neighborhoods were as taken aback with your show yesterday as listeners from my neighborhood were.

Our community sent a great deal of background information into your show before Monday's airing. I didn't hear any of it. I did hear you cut off a citizen's association president and give her title, twice, as president of a student association... with no subsequent clarification. While I didn't expect you to take one side or the other in yesterday's conversation, I did expect a balanced and fact driven discussion of the issues. But you did take a side and gave the universities a platform for a great deal of unchallenged self promotion. And I am amazed and troubled that the Kojo show did this at a time when our neighborhoods are in such peril.

Forrest Bachner

Tue, 03/22/2011 - 1:11pm

I think it's strange that people are questioning Kojo's integrity on these boards, given that several opponents of the campus plans were given airtime; in fact, Lenore Rubino was given two different speaking slots.

If they choose to do another show on the topic, in fairness, they should cover the history of anti-student activism from these local organizations. If listeners hear about the (anti-student) voter intimidation campaign, the attempt to shut down the HoyaKids daycare center, the submission of falsified maps and petitions to the DC government, the abuse of the 911 system, and the ongoing demands to ignore DC anti-discrimination laws, they will have a better understanding of the extremism driving this activism.

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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 2:29pm
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